The Victorian government proposed a law that would prevent men only clubs, (though not women only clubs) and prevent religious organisations (not only churches but Islamic mosques, synagoges and temples from refusing to employ people who either disagree with the religion or live in ways that are not acceptable to the religion concerned. This the Victorians say is to prevent discrimination. They say further that it will only affect the religious organisations in ‘non core’ activities –such as schools and hospitals.
This would mean that a Muslim school would not be able to insist that only Muslim teachers taught, or even that non Muslim lady teachers wore long sleeved shirts and skirts down to about the knee (Which the Koran prescribes for women in public).
I am not writing more about whether the proposed law is good or bad- other commentators including Peter and Tim Costello have done this (they both say it’s a bad law). But any such law- which tries to enforce a particular moral pattern on others – reverses the relationship between law and morality. To see this we need to first look at the basic question-what is a valid law and how do we recognise a law.
The most common view in England for many years was that a law was what "the Sovereign commanded as law". It didn’t matter whether the Sovereign was the King or Queen or whether it was parliament so that for the last 200 years of so a law was what the English parliament said was the law. Court decisions were law because the Sovereign had established the courts and made laws that enforced the courts decisions. This idea came across to Australia. But it ran into two problems.
The first was that Australia (and for that matter Canada and many other Commonwealth countries) had written constitutions. And even the otherwise sovereign parliaments had to comply with the constitution.
The second problem was as one legal theorist (H L A Hart) put it- to say the law is what the sovereign commands is a bit like saying the law is what an armed gangster commands- might is right. Say that there is a morally repulsive law – if the Sovereign said it is the law then it is the law. To take a real example: were the Nazi Nuremburg laws confiscating Jewish property, and in the end sending Jews, Gypsies, Freemasons and many others to death valid laws? Yes if what the Sovereign (in this case the Nazi state) commanded was law.
Hart (and my lecturers at university) answered these two problems by saying that law was ultimately directed at officials- whether the officials were police, public servants, or even people who –while not part of the government applied the laws. Here they meant people like accountants who lodge your tax returns in accordance with the tax laws, solicitors who handle your property sale in accordance with the conveyancing laws.
So Hart said a valid law was one that was recognised by these officials as law. And so there was an overriding ‘recognition rule.’ The officials accept the rule’s criteria as binding on them. And then they accept as law whatever matches the criteria. An outsider can see what the law is from how the officials behave.
This solves the first problem- parliament, the courts and so on all recognise the constitution governs them, they also recognise the laws made under the constitution.
But it doesn’t solve the second problem. And it is that second problem and how it is solved which I will write about next time. And then you will be able to see whether you think the Victorian proposals are proper laws.
Some Links
Peter Costello on the Victorian laws http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/pursuing-the-churches-over-human-rights-is-contradictory/2009/07/28/1248546725162.html
Some responses to Costello's article http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/letters/democracy-first-then-christianity/2009/07/29/1248546773934.html
The Community Legal Centres views http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/equality-loses-out-to-freedom-20090802-e5sm.html (in my view they have rather missed the point, they are arguing that a particular viewpoint should be enforced in the courts and not by lobbying your member of parliament and if need be voting against him or her. That is they are talking about the way of enforcing a particular law.)
Monday, August 31, 2009
Monday, August 10, 2009
Making a contract
I’ve written on this before but there’s been a recent example of an unusual sort of contract –the contract where the ‘consideration’ does not go to a party to the contract. Normally it does- to use same example I used before I pay the butcher, he gives me the meat I have purchased. My consideration to him is the money his consideration to me is the meat.
But sometimes the consideration can be paid to third person, or sometimes it can be by doing something.
But first a bit of history. In 1892 the Carbolic Smoke Ball Company advertised its smoke balls as a flu remedy. Its ads were imaginative –that it would pay anyone who caught flu after using its smoke balls would be ‘rewarded’ with £100, (then a lot of money by comparision a skilled factory workers wage was about £240 per year) Its ads went on to say the company had paid £1000 into its bank as security.
Mrs Carlill used the ball but caught flu. She claimed the reward. The company said it was only an advertising trick. Mrs Carlill sued. The company’s barrister was H H Asquith –later prime minister but despite having a ‘top gun’ the company lost. It appealed. It lost again. The judges said
(1) that the advert was a unilateral offer to all the world
(2) that satisfying conditions for using the smokeball constituted acceptance of the offer
(3) that purchasing or merely using the smokeball constituted good consideration, because it was a distinct detriment incurred at the behest of the company and, furthermore, more people buying smokeballs by relying on the advert was a clear benefit to Carbolic
(4) that the company's claim that £1000 was deposited at the Alliance Bank showed the serious intention to be legally bound
And so you had the four things needed for a legal contract.
The aftermath of the case is that the company failed about four years later (having in the meantime used the whole case to its advantage –its new adverts referring to the case which had got a lot of publicity and saying that only Mrs Carlill and two other people out of the thousands who had bought the smoke ball had claimed the reward so that the rest must be very satisfied customers). Mrs Carlill lived many more years dieing at the age of 92. Her death certificate gave two reasons for her death –old age and influenza.
Now to bring this up to date. Skiwing leased a coffee shop in the Imperial Arcade in Sydney. The coffee shop was on the first floor looking over and down into the Pitt Street Mall. Skiwing wanted to extend by building a balcony out onto the mall (it had a long lease so it thought –wrongly for reasons I might write about another day- that any money it spent on the extensions would be a good investment). It approached Stocklands the owner of the Arcade.It wrote back that it would not object to Skiwing’s ‘pursuing Sydney City Council to obtain approval’ for erection of a balcony so long as some conditions were satisfied.
Skiwing applied for that approval. It spent money paying planners, archietects and so on. Then Stocklands had a change of heart. IT revoked the consent and said that Skiwing could not alter the coffee shop in any way- invoking a clause in the lease to that effect..
As part of an expensive saga of litigation Skiwing claimed the letter from Stocklands was an offer. The Appeal Panel of the Administrative Decisions Tribunal (which deals with retail lease cases) agreed . It said Skiwing did not have to ‘pursue’ this approval. It could, ignore the offer entirely. But if it accepted the offer by submitting an application to the Council in compliance with these conditions, Stockland would be bound by its promise not to raise any objection. Skiwing’s expenditure of time and money in preparing and submitting the application would be "consideration’ even though there was no direct benefit to Stockland. The balcony, when constructed, would undoubtedly have been of benefit to Stockland.
Further once Stockland’s staff knew that Skiwing was proceeding with the application, and had encouraged Skiwing (it did so in further letters) to engage planners and to spend more on the project, the offer became one which (like the lessor’s offer of a new lease in an option) cannot be revoked.
This all shows not all contracts are as simple as me buying my meat.
But sometimes the consideration can be paid to third person, or sometimes it can be by doing something.
But first a bit of history. In 1892 the Carbolic Smoke Ball Company advertised its smoke balls as a flu remedy. Its ads were imaginative –that it would pay anyone who caught flu after using its smoke balls would be ‘rewarded’ with £100, (then a lot of money by comparision a skilled factory workers wage was about £240 per year) Its ads went on to say the company had paid £1000 into its bank as security.
Mrs Carlill used the ball but caught flu. She claimed the reward. The company said it was only an advertising trick. Mrs Carlill sued. The company’s barrister was H H Asquith –later prime minister but despite having a ‘top gun’ the company lost. It appealed. It lost again. The judges said
(1) that the advert was a unilateral offer to all the world
(2) that satisfying conditions for using the smokeball constituted acceptance of the offer
(3) that purchasing or merely using the smokeball constituted good consideration, because it was a distinct detriment incurred at the behest of the company and, furthermore, more people buying smokeballs by relying on the advert was a clear benefit to Carbolic
(4) that the company's claim that £1000 was deposited at the Alliance Bank showed the serious intention to be legally bound
And so you had the four things needed for a legal contract.
The aftermath of the case is that the company failed about four years later (having in the meantime used the whole case to its advantage –its new adverts referring to the case which had got a lot of publicity and saying that only Mrs Carlill and two other people out of the thousands who had bought the smoke ball had claimed the reward so that the rest must be very satisfied customers). Mrs Carlill lived many more years dieing at the age of 92. Her death certificate gave two reasons for her death –old age and influenza.
Now to bring this up to date. Skiwing leased a coffee shop in the Imperial Arcade in Sydney. The coffee shop was on the first floor looking over and down into the Pitt Street Mall. Skiwing wanted to extend by building a balcony out onto the mall (it had a long lease so it thought –wrongly for reasons I might write about another day- that any money it spent on the extensions would be a good investment). It approached Stocklands the owner of the Arcade.It wrote back that it would not object to Skiwing’s ‘pursuing Sydney City Council to obtain approval’ for erection of a balcony so long as some conditions were satisfied.
Skiwing applied for that approval. It spent money paying planners, archietects and so on. Then Stocklands had a change of heart. IT revoked the consent and said that Skiwing could not alter the coffee shop in any way- invoking a clause in the lease to that effect..
As part of an expensive saga of litigation Skiwing claimed the letter from Stocklands was an offer. The Appeal Panel of the Administrative Decisions Tribunal (which deals with retail lease cases) agreed . It said Skiwing did not have to ‘pursue’ this approval. It could, ignore the offer entirely. But if it accepted the offer by submitting an application to the Council in compliance with these conditions, Stockland would be bound by its promise not to raise any objection. Skiwing’s expenditure of time and money in preparing and submitting the application would be "consideration’ even though there was no direct benefit to Stockland. The balcony, when constructed, would undoubtedly have been of benefit to Stockland.
Further once Stockland’s staff knew that Skiwing was proceeding with the application, and had encouraged Skiwing (it did so in further letters) to engage planners and to spend more on the project, the offer became one which (like the lessor’s offer of a new lease in an option) cannot be revoked.
This all shows not all contracts are as simple as me buying my meat.
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